
Smack dab in the middle of my 3v3 Random Team ladder league after my first week.
With the little time I have, I’ve been devoting my free time for gaming directly towards Starcraft II – bouncing back and forth between the campaign and the multiplayer. So, while I may have occasional other games to write about in the coming entries, perhaps you’ll be reading about Starcraft II from me for a while.
Being a huge 3v3 RT fan and having played over a hundred matches during the Starcraft II beta, I’ll spend today’s entry sharing my thoughts and experiences with 3v3 multiplayer in the retail now that I have 18 matches under my belt.
Placement
I was very foolish last week with my placement matches. At the first sign of my Internet working since the tornado in the DC area killed electricity and Internet, I tried to play multiplayer. I ended up disconnecting in 3 of the 5 placement matches I played. Fortunately, in one of the three matches I played, we were already ahead enough that I still got a win for the match after I disconnected. (I think that’s a new thing in for Blizzard’s RTS games – I thought in the past with games like Starcraft and Warcraft III, a disconnect was an automatic loss.) In the end, I went 2 and 3, but I think I had a good shot at going 4 and 1 had I not disconnected.
I ended up getting placed into the Silver League for 3v3, and after doing some further research, Blizzard has stated that your placement is directly tied to your win loss record and that is it. Nothing related to scores, actions per minute, etc. I’m guessing if you go 0-5 or 1-4, you get placed in Bronze, 2-3 or 3-2 you get placed in Silver, 4-1 you get placed in Gold league, and 5-0 you get placed in Platinum league. I understand that you cannot place into Diamond league – gotta earn it. So how were my matches in the Silver League?
Fresh Tactics
I’m losing – a lot. The first ten or so matches I played, I got an interesting gamut of players and skill levels. In one match, one of my teammates was Protoss and all he did was build buildings and expand to his natural. He did not make any units, and did not cannon his main, so when he got dropped, he started cursing at me. Huh? Needless to say, that was a loss.
With Starcraft II only being a bit over a week old and me starting in the lower section of the Silver League, I’m playing with players that are applying tactics that I’ve not been accustomed to. With Protoss and Terran, I expect mass Stalkers and mass Marauders. Instead, these guys are going back to basics and massing Zealots and Marines. Mass Zealots and Marines are actually winning matches too, because the sheer number of them combined with a rush is just too tough to handle. I have lost several matches this way since I have partners that simply don’t build units or don’t expect to rush or be rushed.
One match I spawned Protoss and one of my partners was rushed by mass Zealots and two players’ worth of Marines. They killed the Zerg player pretty easily and while they were attacking Zerg I cannoned up. They tried to get to me but lost too many units so they went to my other partner. As they tore through my other partner’s base, I cannoned up some more and just began massing Colossi. Once they came for my base again, I had 3 Colossi and cannons and ripped through dozens and dozens of Marines and Zealots. So much so that I got the “Meatgrinder” Achievement (Kill 50 supply worth of units within 15 seconds in a Melee game)! It was like the opponents did not know what to do against the Colossi, so they made more Marines and Zealots and so I made more Colossi, and pushed towards their base while expanding and making Carriers at home. Carriers defended my base while Colossi destroyed all three of their bases. “GG 1v3″ one of my opponents said as they left. Dang straight man. If anyone wants the replay let me know!
Even against the odds I fought and actually won! Unfortunately for me, neither Terran nor Zerg really have the kind of hard counter that Protoss has with the Colossus against light infantry units so I was lucky I spawned Protoss that game. I guess the closest Terran has against mass infantry are Siege Tanks, but Zerg…forget about it. I still have somewhat of a tough time with Zerg since you have to play a numbers game with roaches, hydralisks, and/or mutalisks instead of teching.
I don’t know if it’s just my poor luck to be stuck with terrible partners, but every once in a while I’ll get a decent partner or two and we can win the match. Currently, I’m playing against players that seem to be getting towards more along the lines of the better 3v3 players in the beta, as the more traditional strategies for 3v3 I’m seeing such as massing Stalkers, MMM, etc. are appearing more frequently. I’m also seeing the massing of Void Rays again, something I complained about in an earlier entry and I’m not surprised to see it taking off again now in retail.
RT vs AT
cmfl3x and I have managed to play a few games together, and the two of us play 3v3 so we’ve been picking up a random partner for our third. We’ve done ok so far – I think we’ve won half of the games we play, and it usually ends up based on how good of a partner we get matched with.
One thing I’m annoyed about that other people are also complaining about on the official Blizzard forums is that Random Team players are getting matched up against Arranged Team players. This is something completely new for Starcraft II, as Warcraft III kept Random Team and Arranged Team players in different matching categories. When cmfl3x and I are a 2-man party and look for a 3v3 game, I understand that the games we are in are counted as Random Team games, and affect our Random Team rankings/record since we’re not playing on a full Arranged Team.
However, what sucks is that whether I play with cmfl3x or solo in 3v3, I often get matched up against another team that is 3v3 AT. This basically means, the other team is a party of three that all know each other and play together so they have their set strategies already and are at an advantage. Since when does a pickup team ever have much chance against an arranged team? Blizzard confirms that there is only one matching pool that everyone gets dropped into, but the ladders are separate for Random Team and Arranged Team. This means that an Arranged Team can have a 10-0 record because they keep getting matched up against 10 randomly matched players thrown together. Random Team players will most likely lose more than win, just because the odds are not in their favor of playing other random team players. In any case, the road to move up in Random Team seems that much more difficult because of this but I will still climb it.
Is it Still Fun?
While I am not happy with several decisions that Blizzard has made with Starcraft II, at the end of the day, it’s still a phenomenal game. Whether I win or lose, I still want to keep playing, so the actual gameplay is top notch. My immediate goal is to make my way into the Gold League so hopefully I get some better partners, and I will keep playing until I get there. See you guys on battle.net! [espionage | 701]






haha my friend said that he’s been running into players who are playing the game like sim city.
i’m on the last mission on brutal, after that i’ll join you on the AT/RTs
You are a good RT player. I like to play RT 2. At start, I will ask “Any plan?”, and then I will try to supplement my partners strategy. Say, if my team wants to mass Void, then I gonna mass tier 1 units, to defend for rush. That’s my experience
thanks! yeah i’ve played some games where no one will talk at all, and either my partners will be really terrible, or really good and not need to say anything. but ya, i’m definitely up for communicating more myself and i’m glad to hear that you’re doing the same.
After all the buzz I’ve been hearing about SCII, I’m wondering if I should pick it up. Is it good enough that someone who isn’t really into RTS games (I don’t mind games with smaller squads, like Dawn of War, although I don’t love them) should pick it up? Is the matchmaking good enough to where I’ll have a shot at winning?
i think i do need to get a review out on this game at some point, but from your standpoint as someone who isn’t really into RTS games, it’s a tough call. One of the primary things i love about RTS games is base and resource management – which means i didn’t really enjoy the new Dawn of War games as much due to their focus on smaller squads.
while you may not fall in love with the highly competitive multiplayer, the single player campaign is quite lengthy and enjoyable for all gamers. i’d recommend getting it if you’re on the fence – but make sure u are aware of whether or not your computer can run it.
oh and if you are interested, i have a spare guest pass that i can send to you to so you can check the game out to see if u enjoy it and whether your computer can handle it well. i think u can play it for up to 7 hours so if you like it u can buy it from there. just keep in mind it’s like a 7 GB download…
I keep swinging back and forth on the random team getting matched vs arranged team thing. Like you, I didn’t actually realise it was the case for a while. I play as an arranged team all the time whenever I do team games (mainly 3v3 so far, but some 2v2 as well), and it became pretty obvious when we were playing against some very uncoordinated teams who weren’t helping each other out at all that we were sometimes playing against random teams.
But the thing is that it’s still skill-matched pretty well, and some of these random 3v3 teams give us huge problems! Usually because their individual players are far better than us, so it comes down to – can our better teamwork outmatch their better skills.
It’s a different game than playing vs an equally skilled arranged team, but it’s quite interesting in that you don’t know what you’re going to get… overall, I think I quite like the variety it offers.
I’m running close to 50% win-loss in all my games right now in SCII, which is really really impressive. Also amusingly I’m Bronze 1v1, Silver 2v2 and Gold 3v3, kinda shows you were my skillsets lie (and also that my teammmates are better than me! ^_^)
cool Remy – I’m glad that you’re faring well in Starcraft 2 and it seems like you’re enjoying it. And of course – let me know if you learn any new tips from what you come across!
Hey Espion4ge!
thanks for your posts! It has made a newb like me save the hundreds of hours learning what the proper build should be! I appreciate it! Btw, I would love to see your replay of 1v3. Mind sending it over? Let me know if you can’t see my email address.
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